Classism and Marketing Conversation (Part Two): the Ravings of a Self-Righteous Hippie, or Cautionary Tales about Doing Good
So for anyone who hasn't been following the conversation over at Burton Kent's blog (http://www.acupunctureclinicmarketing.com/sanborn-maxim/#comments), it's gotten, um, "animated". Which I think is a good thing.
There is potentially a lot to say about all of it, but I want to use this post to focus on responding to a specific set of comments, and to reflect back on some of the issues that started this conversation in the first place.
First, to Jared: I'm sincerely glad you figured out what works for you in your practice. I think it's great that you love your patients and that you listened to them. The more people who get acupuncture, in whatever setting they get it, the better. And thank you for saying that you tried the community acupuncture model and it didn't work for you. People need to hear that.
Second, to Burton: the exchange I had with Jared is a perfect example of why we need to have this conversation. Jared wrote that he read my book and he likes the idea of community acupuncture. Just like you, just like lots of people. And yet I bit his head off, in public, and I've done my best to pick a fight with you, also in public. I just want to clarify why.
Nobody in CAN wants to encourage acupuncturists to adopt the community acupuncture model when there's no way in hell it's going to work for them. There's no way in hell it's going to work for them if they are adopting it for idealistic reasons, if they are trying to do good. There's no room in community acupuncture for idealism. Community acupuncture only works when it's about reality. Reality means that acupuncturists who want to practice community acupuncture, if they want to make a living at it, have got to deal with their issues about class. The comments on your blog should be required reading for anybody contemplating a community acupuncture practice.
And about those comments...
I'm not trying to be Gandhi. Suggesting that I am is a great example of the classist dynamic that will undermine a well-meaning acupuncturist's community practice. And I have to add, Jared, that I've gotten the Gandhi treatment before (or, alternately, the Mother Theresa treatment) from a lot of acupuncturists, and I'd much rather get it in the context of a full frontal attack like yours than as an actual compliment. Either way, though, the implication is the same: that if I want to serve working class people, I must be some kind of wanna-be saint, because who else would get down in the gutter like that? Only a really extraordinary person would willingly devote herself to all those losers, who as we know are lazy, dirty, ignorant, and gleefully spending their healthcare dollars on cable TV.
And although I love the phrase "the ravings of a self-righteous hippie", and I can't wait to add it as a tagline to my new book, I'm going to quibble with the "self-righteous" part. Is it really self righteous to get mad when somebody insults you? Irritable, yes; bitchy, probably; unsaintly, definitely; but "self-righteous" implies a kind of abstract moralism that I have to tell you, I don't feel. My clinic's success depends on me not feeling that. What I do feel is a very concrete, very personal kind of rage. Is it being "holier than thou" when your true desire is not to be holy but to give the "thou" a hard slap upside the head? I bet Gandhi didn't talk like that.
Acupuncturists, and acupuncture business coaches, keep saying insulting classist things about people I really care about. I care about them not in some abstract, humanitarian way, but in the concrete, personal way you care about your friends, neighbors, and family. I don't have a problem with an acupuncturist deciding he only wants to serve upper middle class people. That's his choice, his business, none of mine. Sweeping generalizations about acupuncture, fees, and patients -- my patients! -- are my business, however. For instance:
"When I meet (an) acupuncturist that is charging far too low a rate it has nothing to do with trying to help people out but everything to do with a lack of confidence in ones self and (one's) clinical skills. I choose to serve my community by volunteering every week not by devaluing (my) professional service".
"The value and importance we place on something is heavily influenced by price. By underpricing your services, you make your patients undervalue your services. They'll comply less, complain more, and actually be worse patients because of the price you set. Don't cheapen yourself, your skills, or your profession."
"...it is well known that your personal income will be the same as that of your average patient. If your patients all make $25,000 to $40,000 a year, that's what your income will be as well...It may be wise to pick a town or area in which the median annual income is $75,000 to $100,000 a year... it is a proven fact that people who are not charged at all, or who are charged very low fees, rarely get well as quickly and completely as people who are charged more."
Everybody get the message? Don't treat people who can't afford market rates, because they won't get better anyway! And they'll be disrespectful jerks! And if you are even thinking about cheapening yourself by taking care of people who make $25-$40K a year, it's because you have no clinical confidence and no self-esteem! Because people who can't afford market rates aren't really worth anything anyway...
If that message doesn't make you mad, please don't even think about practicing community acupuncture. (Or using a sliding scale for any other purpose.) You can't have it both ways. You can't admire me, like my book, like the concept of community acupuncture, and simultaneously buy into the idea that you can "devalue" your professional services by charging "too little". Well, you can, but the cognitive dissonance is gonna get you (and your business) in the end. The impulse to have it both ways is an idealistic impulse, I think, and I'm not an idealist. I'm driven by my commitment to specific, actual people who need a specific, actual service. If you insult them, I will do my best to be a specific, actual bitch to you, because it's part of how I stay sane in the midst of people simultaneously telling me how much they admire me and how little self-esteem I must have to do what I do. You can't say I didn't warn you.


"If you have come to help
"If you have come to help me, you are wasting my time. But if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together."
From an Aboriginal activist group, and more recently my computer's desktop.
This idea that anger is antithetical to good practice is really incapacitating to acupuncturists in the US. Anger has its place. Anger has an expression that is appropriate (Not petty and insulting.) Anger lets people know when they violated boundaries and anger lets us find a way forward when tradition holds us back. Its part of the cycle of things, yet most of us have a sense deep in our psyche that anger should be avoided at all cost. We can see this in acupuncture schools when students are told that good practitioners are always serene. We can see it in ourselves when people wrong us and we don't say anything because we don't want to rock the boat.
Where does this difficulty with anger come from? I don't know for sure, but I would bet that it has something to do with our country's history of slavery, indentured servitude, and classism. Because anger coming from an abused group of people is a very dangerous thing. Anger, expressed appropriately could lead to revolution, and people in power have historically done everything in their power to prevent that from happening. People have started wars to maintain their power over other people. Convincing people that anger is a bad thing is a great way to make sure that no one changes an abusive status quo.
Great post Raven
Yeah the acupuncture profession has a very hard time in dealing with anger. That's true I think with most of the US too. We tend to suppress it and get upset with others are angry, not realizing that anger is vital to our growth as humans. We can't live without it but people sure try.
But our profession I think has a particular problem with anger. As you say we are taught that acupuncturists should be serene, which stifles our creative impulses, leading on the one hand a 50-80% failure rate, and on the other hand (an impotent) lashing out at others who try to change the way to practice our medicine.
Setting up a successful private practice is really hard. Even a successful CA practice. Trying to set up a practice using The Remedy as your only reference is really really REALLY hard since it isn't a how-to book.(I'm referencing Lisa's comment to Jared here.) Which is one reason we put so much energy into CAN, to encourage acupuncturists to get support from each other as well as sharing all those critical details. What needs to happen is a whole lot of open discussions amongst ALL acupuncturists about what really works and what doesn't, but that isn't happening since it seems that people are scared to voice their frustrations for fear of exposing their own shortcomings (at least to themselves). It's not easy realizing that you are a failure, most acupunks don't, but again 50-80% (closer to 80%) of them are and lots of the" successful" ones just barely pay their expenses.
Burton Kent tries to address one of the problems of the BA model of practice without acknowledging it in full: that most patients can't pay $75 or $100 per treatment. He addresses that problem not by looking at the systemic problems of the BA model but by advising acupunks to just get rid of those patients who voice displeasure in paying that rate. I think actually for some few acupunks that solution would work- those very few who have a practice full of upper middle class and rich people who don't think to look for a cheaper treatment that is just as effective. But for the 80%+ of the population of this country that don't fit in that income bracket they just have to look elsewhere for acupuncture. Since by definition the large majority of acupunks do not treat those rich folks, Burton's solution is just wrong so they would do well to steer clear of his website -- at least until he starts addressing reality.
stopped anger is called depression
yeah its that holy smoke and mirrors of quasi-buddhism/ quasifungshway that tells us our anger is a barrier a waste of energy saving our gifts for highest bidders cheapens what we do sharing our gifts with those in need rich, poor, and everyone in the mythical middle class perhaps has no price only an exchange seems fair
The price of a tx
I have thought a lot about this quote: "When I meet (an) acupuncturist that is charging far too low a rate it
has nothing to do with trying to help people out but everything to do
with a lack of confidence in ones self and (one's) clinical skills."
I have concluded that $75 is overpriced for an acupuncture treatment. Self confidence has to be generated from within and does not depend on money and how much you charge.
Tom Riordan L.Ac.
I agree
I won't pay $75, and I am not a cheapskate. I probably spend a lot more money than I should much of the time. I appreciate high quality products, but the things I buy are rarely the most expensive because like most people who grew up lower middle or working class I do research rather than assume the most expensive is the best.
Self Esteem
Linda,
Actually the point I was trying to make is that self esteem and treatment fees are two separate issues. Charging more for my services will not generate higher self esteem and charging lower prices for my services does not mean that I have no confidence in my skills.
Tom Riordan L.Ac.
I understand
I know, I understood that, but I actually agreed on both points and I thought it was so cool that you wrote that. I've never been comfortable saying so because people make it about self worth. I guess I should just say it, the benefits of acupuncture are priceless, but I don't think people should have to pay $75 a treatment.
Clarifying our use of the term anger
Anger in Buddhism has a very specific meaning, but it's often used quite subjectively in common talk.
Does anger as its being used here mean it's beneficial to generate animosity or even hatred towards others? Does it mean that we are entitled to trash them verbally and speak divisively behind their backs? Is that ever conducive to personal and social harmony?
Or is use of the term anger here simply being used to refer to a strong and forceful opposition against ideas or actions which we disagree with? I would generally agree with this usage, however, the problem inevitably arises that in unenlightened beings, opposition to ideas and actions often quickly (i.e. nanoseconds) morphs into hatred towards people. Check for your self.
The deluded ego stakes its identity on the rightness of "MY ideas", fortifying it's position, inflaming the debate by inciting other deluded egos to retaliate and that's pretty much the story of samsara - unenlightened existence and consequent suffering since beginingless time.
Ehipassiko (Come and see).
"Consciously restrain your mind from recollecting the past or anticipating, fearing, or hoping about the future. Simply focus on the present moment and do not allow your mind to chase after external objects or events. Do not objectify things, but rat
Thank You
Raven,
Thank you for this discussion on anger. I grew up in a very conservative culture with a specifically defined power structure and the class you were a part of defined your level of "righteousness". I was constantly shamed for my anger at the unfairness I saw around me. The times I have rocked the boat a bit at my acupunk school I have been told how much negative energy I have and how I cannot possibly help people with my attitude.
This is a valuable post that needs to be read by many. Thank you again, I really needed to read this.
-Chad
Your really are an angry
Carrying a classist torch, promotes division
Sounds lovely and idealistic
You let me know how that goes.
It doesn't have to be idealistic...
invisible intent
dear guest respectfully I say you are mistaken and may need to reflect on where your class is and who is under attack the silence of not speaking up about the disrespect shown by one class, race, otheris so deafening it seems unhearable....so loud maybe ignoreable/////// what happens to us all when you get the occasional phone inquiry about your other than "small fees"//// are those quippy justifications about who they are to you even more poignant? why change that? what needs healing there? perhaps calling around yourself to other acupuncturists may shed light / do you feel the kinship of being charged the reduced professional rate of $100 especially if your needs are acute / /Is there the urge to call anonymously? fundamentally its about our relationships they involve more work and love
What makes me mistaken? The
are you promoting inclusion
Is asking anyone to look or feel something from a different viewpoint painful sometimes? Yes there is a mistakeness about what is being attackedand who is being included in the inclusion/classism and its hidden constructs have touched that nerve I personally wish you many blessings, truly / Only you and your clients will determine how you practice I see this blogging as a reflection of my own conflicts and dilemmas / and thought to share a placewhere my discomfort with class issues arises in my practice and we are not alone/or divided into class//but must work hard to diseducate and unassume the ways subtle and obvious that cause disharmony /see/http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=1166
Classism is the problem not the fees
No member or founder of CAN has ever said everyone must have a community clinic with a sliding scale. I don't see anyone being attacked for charging high fees. If an acupuncturist wishes to have a high priced spa practice that's their right and no member of CAN is going to attack them for it. It is classist ideas that have been questioned. The idea that a patient who cannot afford a $75 treatment is going to be needy and difficult is ridiculous and rightfully attacked. The idea that patients are nothing more than income generators for acupuncturists deserves questioning.
Really?!
Please elaborate
Please show examples of someone being attacked on the basis that they have high fees if you feel this is the case, and I will check my vision. There are many members of CAN who have high fee practices at least part of the time, they are not attacked. I refer to and respect many private room acus who charge very high fees. It is always stated on the CAN forum that there is room for all types of acupuncturists.
Elaboration...but it's going to have to be a process...
Hey Mr. Guest (not
Hey Mr. Guest (not verified). Maybe you could reveal the inner truth of your real name. Or you could try coming around here for more than just psychoanalyzing one of our honored members. You might find that you get a less angry response. Believe it or not, if you decided to be a participant instead of just an outside critic, people would respect your words more.
and what is your motivation here
Who's motivation?
Are you asking for my motivation? I am a member of the Community Acupuncture Network, you know my name and where I live, it would be nice to have yours. I feel passionately about community acupuncture and what we are doing for acupuncture by bringing an affordable option to people. I feel you see things from a very narrow angle, but I'm doing my best to look at this with a clear mind. I started a response to your post, but like yours mine is quite detailed, and I don't have time to finish it tonight.
Too many guests...
Okay, this is just getting
Okay, this is just getting ridiculous, I don't know who's who. I'm not viewing anyone as enemies, I think it's an interesting discussion, but couldn't the guests just use initials or fake names for the sake of clarity?
Am happy to continue the discussion...
That will work fine.
That will work fine.
Full Circle
It's interesting that this conversation got back to motivation, and the original point of this whole thing, because I was just thinking about that myself...
As I said somewhere in the original post, the reason I started this all is that I'm teaching a class at OCOM, and all term we've been talking about classism and how it affects how you run a clinic, how you interact with patients, how you communicate. Because there are so many potential scenarios and because some of the most pernicious classism can be really subtle, all term people have asked me for examples and all term I've been trying to be as specific as possible. The most recent class we had was spent entirely on communicating with patients, and doing role plays. At the end one of the students came up and told me that what would be most helpful to her would be to have examples of what NOT to do, and is there any way we could make a video of people communicating with patients in ways that would ensure the patient would not come back. I completely agree with her about the value of a teaching tool like that, especially since so many patient interactions in community acupuncture are compressed into a couple of minutes, and every nuance, every bit of body language, every word counts. Unfortunately, I can't imagine how I could set up a video like that (she suggested that I solicit acupuncturists with poor social skills to help) -- so we keep coming back to the importance of really reflecting deeply on your attitude towards your patients, since you can count on your attitude being expressed in every possible way when you communicate with them. And you can count on them picking up on it.
So in that way, a whole lot about this conversation has been extremely useful to me, in terms of being able to cite concrete examples of what won't work. (For an egregious example, there's Jeremy's quote from the other thread, "it's business first and healing second!") This thread, however, and our unnamed "Guest"'s comments are even better.
I want to note here that my motivation in all this is to give students as much of a heads-up as possible when they are doing something that, in my experience, won't work if they want to have a community acupuncture practice. That is part of my responsibility as a teacher. They may still choose to do it, and that is their right, but they paid for me to give them, at least in theory, the benefit of my experience. Also they have been showing up faithfully at 6pm on a Monday night after having been in school all day. They deserve my best effort. Yeah, classism infuriates me in general, but I actually do have an awful lot to do, and I really wouldn't have spent so much time on this marketing blog thing if I hadn't made a commitment to trying to get some stuff across, really thoroughly, in the OCOM class, and if I hadn't felt like it was hard to accomplish. As we all know, community acupuncture is only financially viable if you can attract and retain patients in large numbers, so it is really, really important to learn how to do that, and -- the negative corollary -- to learn how NOT to alienate patients and drive them away. So this isn't just theory. It's about people's ability to make a living.
So I was very excited when I found that article on "Inessential Weirdness", which is in another May blog post below, and which talks about the ways that people who identify as "alternative", generally from upper middle class backgrounds, alienate working class people. Dear Guest -- the original Guest -- I don't know what your background is, or even if you are an acupuncturist, but the tone and the content of your comments are a perfect illustration of what that article was addressing. For all I know, you may have a working class background like me, but you have learned to communicate in the way that people with privilege often communicate to people without privilege. You may not be an acupuncturist, but you sound like one; and your comments are the perfect example of how acupuncturists should not communicate with working class patients, if they want to retain those patients. (Are any of my OCOM students here?) I said that I was angry about something concrete, statements about patients which I perceive as demeaning to my community. You responded with an abstract discussion about why anger in general is bad. There's a strong flavor of you telling me this "for my own good"; you point out that what I'm doing is not necessary or healthy. I was personally confrontational; you are lecturing me from a position of higher wisdom and presumed detachment (without disclosing your identity). This is a beautiful example of a culture clash, the exact kind of culture clash that generally repels working class patients from acupuncture clinics.
I'm not surprised that you are a CAN member. This is my concern, as the community acupuncture movement grows, it will attract more and more people who are uncomfortable with discussions of class, privilege, and anger. I don't have to live inside your head, so I don't care that much what you think -- that really is your business. As I've said, though, for now at least I feel a responsibility to say something when I see acupuncturists doing things that will ensure that they will not attract working class patients; I still see that as my job. Because I want people to succeed. I probably won't always see that as my job, and this little interlude for sure makes me think fondly of the day that I don't. And maybe you have figured out a way to create a clinic where you can ignore class and treat it like it doesn't matter. If you're successful at that, great. I would hope that if you are, you would reciprocate my effort -- and other people's -- and say exactly who you are, exactly what you do, and exactly what specific procedures made you successful -- because that is the point of CAN, to share what works. My success came out of a determined focus on class, and I talk about it because that is my experience of what works. I see acupuncturists fail because they don't get it, so I keep trying to find different ways to communicate it. If you are sincere, I would ask you to do the same -- thorough, detailed explanations of how to make "inclusion" real, but without addressing class privilege and the anger of people who don't have that privilege. I'm not talking about abstract theories here, I'm talking about myself, my experience, and my clinic. I ask you to do the same: names, details, procedures, scripts; and how about a video of your patients talking about their experience? I'm not joking. If you can make class disappear, a lot of people would be interested in exactly how you do it -- but that is not a theoretical discussion.
Look up...
reeks of the counter-racism arguement
This argument is a rewording of the notion that standing up for the rights of an under-represented or oppressed group = counter oppression of the privileged or oppressing group. The existence and success of CA clinics is not an attack on one-on-one private room/higher fee acupuncturists, but on the fundamental assumptions that drive many of these practices (e.g. higher fees=better treatment, pts. simply need to prioritize treatment, etc.)
"If you wish to be allowed to charge small fees without attack, then you must allow others to charge high fees without attack. If you want rights for yourself and your patients, then you must first be willing to respect the rights of other practioners and their patients."
This is not simply a matter of "everyone playing nicely together." The private-room/boutique/ white-coat push for legitimacy in our profession by making laws and educational and financial hurdles, is an attack on our patients and on a particular group of (future) practitioners. We are a diverse society with divergent needs and simply feeling like a united whole isn't going to create jobs, or healthcare,or education, or justice. Being angry and pissed off has a much better chance at making changes.
Cris